Tom Renney 0:00

So Henrik, thanks for joining us. I appreciate that. We don't get an opportunity to do this very much, and and maybe having spent a few years with me, you'd had enough of me after all of that anyway. But uh I know you better than that, and thanks very much. I I appreciate you taking the time with me.

Henrik Lundqvist 0:14

It's always great to see you, Tom.

Tom Renney 0:16

You're in Gottsburg, Sweden. I think that's where you're from. And with that being said, I I know too that um you started off pretty much interested in goaltending from the beginning.

Henrik Lundqvist 0:26

Why? Why? Yeah, that's a big question. Well, having a twin brother, you know, that someone had to be in that. And and I don't know what it was about the position. I I think it was a combination of the equipment, maybe a little bit of the responsibility, uh being the last guy standing.

Tom Renney 0:46

Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 0:46

But I think when I do think back, you know, as a kid, you don't think about the pressure, you don't think about really what's asked of you in in big moments. As a kid, when you start playing in goal, you think about making a a great glove save. And you're thinking about the movements and the technique itself. That's kind of what inspired me as a kid. And then as I got older, you start to understand, wow, that there's a lot to it with this position. And and obviously the the mental aspect of it is is a massive part when it comes to goaltending and and your ability to stay in the right place mentally and block everything and be focused. And I always say the difference between good and great as a goaltender is it's always between the ears. And I think as I got older, I started to learn that, I started to work on that. And over time, I think it was my biggest strength, was my focus, because I wasn't the biggest guy, I wasn't the fastest guy, but I felt like my focus was uh a lot of times in the right place to play the position.

Tom Renney 1:46

Did you have a sense of enjoyment around that tour? Or as you went through your career, was it did it become more of a job, more of a task, or did you just feel absolute joy playing the position?

Henrik Lundqvist 1:57

I love that. I love practicing, I love to compete. I think when I look back on my career, the one thing I I keep coming back to is the love for competing and to measure yourself against the best players. That's why you want to play in the NHL because you you get that opportunity to to measure yourself against the best players, the best shooters. It's the biggest challenge. It's just so inspiring. And I remember until my last practice, I just really enjoyed being on the ice and and put in the work. And sometimes I think I enjoyed the practices more than the games. The best part about the games is probably when when the game just ended and you got that feeling of we did it. We won the game, especially playing MS, the square guard, and the excitement, the pressure. But when you break it down, you know, every practice to go up against different players. I I love that, you know, and and I've skated a few times since I retired. And and I have to say, I I still really enjoy it. I didn't think I would, but I I do. I believe that.

Tom Renney 2:58

And it's interesting when you think back, this is about you, quite honestly, and and it's kind of the group dynamic that we had there, Henrik. What would you say about the evolution of the culture of you know the teams that you played on, especially the Rangers? That's certainly your team. And what did what would you say about how the culture evolved, how the culture supported each other or not? Just how important was a strong culture?

Henrik Lundqvist 3:21

Yeah, it shifted depending on the players. You remember, you know, the the first couple of years, a lot of it was around Yager. He kind of set the tone in terms of how he carried himself and how he prepared, how he practiced. And as a young player, you you look at that and it's like, wow, that's how one of the best do it.

Tom Renney 3:43

Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 3:44

So you try to follow that. I felt like we were a lot of young players on that team those first couple of years after the lockout in in 05. But to have a captain like Yarma Yager to set the tone in terms of how you practiced, how you prepared, how you approach the game, the love for the game, you know, that that's contagious. And you want to carry that on. And obviously, over the years, the the team changed, the different players, but we had a core or a lot of young players that come in around that time. And I think got a pretty good understanding of what it took to win games and how hard we had to work. We I don't think we were the most talented team always, but we were a very hard-working team. That was the culture. I felt like the trust was there, and and that was something we built over time as well. It was just a really fun feeling in in that locker room for so many years because the expectations, yeah, we we set them pretty high, but obviously we didn't reach the ultimate goal. But we had a lot of good years, and a lot of it came from a strong core. And we talked about culture, you know, and it's not something it's easy to create in one year, especially if you have a lot of new players come in. But if the core has been there for a while and you establish certain things and the accountability is high, I think that's one of the most important things for a hockey team to have really good accountability, you know. And it doesn't matter if a star player or a fourth liner, a new player, or a veteran, you have that accountability. Obviously, it starts with the how the coach talked to the team, but also how the players talk to each other and expect certain things from each other. And you look at all the great teams in the league when they had their windows, and you could just see that accountability was, you know, think of Chicago. They had a few years or extremely good Pittsburgh or Boston. You know, you you could see it.

Tom Renney 5:33

It's kind of traditional in a way, too. If it's if it's really on a solid foundation, you know, that that culture kind of takes on a life of its own. And uh, even as a player, you kind of know what you're coming into, whether you've been drafted or traded or signed as a free agent. You know, oftentimes you kind of know where you're going and the culture, you know, that that program might have. For me anyway, Hendrik, I was honored to be coaching an original six team, you know, and the Rangers at the apex of all of that in lots of ways. Does the leadership rove around the room? I I thought you were, uh, as much as you were a rookie, and even think back to your younger days where you kind of assume that role a little bit, whether there's somebody else that's, you know, that marquee person or not. But I wonder if kind of that leadership and that culture, feeding the culture kind of moves around the room a little bit and it's shared by different people and everyone ultimately.

Henrik Lundqvist 6:27

Yes, I I I think so. I mean, personally, coming from Sweden, I was nominated the best goalie three years in a row. I was playing for the national team, won two championships, and then you arrive in New York and you're a nobody and you're a rookie. So you kind of have to take a step back. But part of me at that point, I wanted to lead. You know, I I've had that role in Sweden for a couple of years and being the starter for the national team. But again, you have to earn your stripes a little bit. So you have to sit back a little bit and let the veterans lead. But over time, yes, you have different players step up and take on more responsibility. And for me personally, after a few years, I just felt a lot more comfortable being one of the leaders. But you know, Tom, I mean, as a goalie, it's a unique position because it's a very fine balance and how much you can say and what you can say and when you can say it. And looking back, uh, you know, I could probably have done better, especially early on in learning those moments. But uh sometimes you just have to learn from your process, I guess, those first few years. And over time throughout my career, there's different players come in and take on some big roles, you know. And I was very competitive. So I I love to see when guys came in and they took on that role. They they understood what it meant to have that role and the pressure that came with it.

Tom Renney 7:51

Yeah. Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 7:52

But I have a lot of respect for it because it it's more than just playing the game. That there's something more to that energy that you carry and bring with you every day.

Tom Renney 8:01

Did you think that as I think back in my mind's eye, you know, you were very well prepared. You and Benoit were like a superior team in my mind. I thought that was the best combination I'd ever seen of a goaltending coach and a goaltender. And you both brought excellence to that partnership. And I'm wondering, did the culture there allow you to kind of be yourself and learn and do the job at the same time? Because again, I'm kind of coming back to that cultural thing. If it's a if it's a weak culture, if it's not a strong culture, if it's not a caring, trusting, honest culture, that becomes a little more difficult, I think. You know, and and I guess where I'm going is is two things here. You've had great coaches. You've had two coaches that were coach of the year, outstanding coaches for sure, and a couple of cup guys. So I'm wondering who sets the tone for that for you when you first come in? Is it the coaching staff, the general environment? You talked about Yarmor for sure, marquee guy, get that. Did you feel any pressure having to try to be more than what you were, or did you just feel I'm in a good spot here? I'm gonna come in and this is gonna happen.

Henrik Lundqvist 9:05

No, I mean, I always felt pressure with the position itself, but I wanted that position. I think if you don't want it, you should probably not be a goalie because in the end you're gonna have to deal with a lot of pressure, big market. Yeah, but you talk about all the great coaches I played, for starting with you. You know, I learned so much from all the coaches and and different things. I always fed from the coaches, like the the things you were saying, the the coaches after you as a goalie, yeah, I listened to a lot, not everything. Yeah, because my main coach is Benoit, the goalie coach. Absolutely. And you you touched on Benny, you know, we clicked right away. I had so much trust when it came to the position, and we adjusted a lot the first couple months in training camp, my first training camp to play a little tighter game. But that became more than just a coach for me. My relationship with Benny, you know, my entire N shell career, 15 years I worked with Benoit, and you talked about the game, the position, the technique, but you also talked about life. And I was just amazing to develop that over time. But that trust was there right away because, and you touched on it, his excellence for the work and the position and the preparation. You know, there was a lot of things he did that I could really connect with in terms of being prepared and the consistency of every day kind of looked in the same.

Tom Renney 10:25

Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 10:26

Like my preparation looked the same throughout my entire career. I liked the fact that he had his routine and when he came to certain things, he didn't change ever. So I knew what to expect. He knew what to expect from me. And if if I was a little off, he knew it right away. I think consistency and preparation, how you train, how you prepare, everything, it goes such a long way. There's a lot of players that can reach highs, but to to be there consistently, uh it comes to the work and preparation. And Benny brought that in his work.

Tom Renney 10:58

Did you have a sort of a protocol yourself as a young goalie? As you started out, did you have the ability to kind of find your own process, find your own level of comfort in pursuing that position? A learning process all along, of course, but just curious about that.

Henrik Lundqvist 11:12

Yeah, I I think growing up, you you start to learn about yourself. You start to understand how you react to certain situations and what I do might not work for someone else. So I think that's the biggest thing for any athlete, and especially in a position where there's a lot of pressure and the focus needs to be right. You need to know yourself and how you react and how you want to feel to perform the best and to find that sweet spot. You know, when I know, okay, that's my sweet spot, that's how I want to feel, that's how I want to think and and and approach the game. Okay, how do I get to that point? And then over time, I I'm gonna say around 16, 17, 18 years old, you start playing bigger games, international games, junior national team, and turn pro at 18. Suddenly there's a lot more to playing the positions. That's where I really start to fine-tune everything. And then it didn't really change, you know, for 20 years, playing uh five years pro in Sweden and 15 in New York. Pretty much the same approach and and and preparation and um pretty much the same playlist in the afternoon to listen to music and thinking about the game. And uh, but again, a lot of it started with me figuring out me as a person and what got me going, what pushed it too far, or as you know, my intensity. I think that was the balance a lot of times I had to work with, not be too intense or not too loose. So that was my constant, and I don't think it got easier over time, because every year you got more experience, but also I had more to carry. So you had to constantly work on yourself and figure out that sweet spot and and how to get there.

Tom Renney 12:54

Mm-hmm. You know, if you come back to things like pressure, fatigue, even relationships, criticism from yourself, your coach, teammates, or whatever, I am kind of still kind of going down that environment path. Well, you tell me, what does that what does that room need to have in order for everyone to be themselves and everyone to be able to trust each other, to be able to trust your coach, you know? And there were times where you and I disagreed. And that's good. That's that's a healthy relationship, I think, especially when you handle it the way you should. What is it that makes that whole you because there's so much to think about, even as a young guy, Henrik, you know, with respect to pressure and fatigue and criticism and your own general well-being. You talked earlier about sort of the mental part of the game as being massive. How do you lead with all of that going on?

Henrik Lundqvist 13:45

Well, we touched on accountability, but when I look in in a room that's, you know, um, I'm gonna say a winning team, a team that understands what it takes to win games consistently, you own it. You own the bad days, you don't hide from it, you don't have a ton of excuses, both as a group, but also individual, you know, and and and you're okay with it. It it takes a lot of guts sometimes to own it. But when you have a lot of players do that and you look around the room, it's like he's owning it, I'm owning it. And together, you just feel like, okay, we're in it together. We're not trying to hide from it, especially in the market where you're gonna get a lot of questions on the bad days or you have stretches where you're not winning games. If you have all the players just owning the moment and your own performance, I feel like the respect amongst the players in the room, it increases. And it's a great feeling. I I mean, I always loved the playoffs. For sure. The big reason was I felt like we were a team. Yeah, you feel like a team during the regular season, but during the playoffs every year, you just felt it in the room. It's all about winning. It doesn't matter about contracts or points or playing time. No, it's just finding a way to win this game. You just feel the group understood it. You could feel it in the room, and and that's probably what I loved the most about the playoffs, other than obviously the intensity and then playing in the games. But that feeling of being a really tight team during the playoff times was just awesome.

Tom Renney 15:18

When you think again about you know, the dressing room, you know, and that camaraderie, and obviously the singleness of purpose was was winning, and I agree with you on the playoffs. There's just nothing like it. The most fun for sure, because it was the most dense, most required moment of a season for sure. What did you take away from your years of excellence and as a goaltender in the NHL that kind of provided um maybe some life skills, some values or principles that that you try to live by with um yourself, your family, your friends, that kind of stuff?

Henrik Lundqvist 15:51

Well, I I think the the first thing that comes to mind is just being prepared. It doesn't matter what I do now, working TV or showing up to an event or speaking engagement. It feels good to be prepared. That being said, I I do like to wing it when when I'm speaking and uh and doing certain things, but spending, you know, 20 plus years of always preparing for one moment for for playing that game or every other day, of course, there's a lot that I did that I bring with me in terms of the preparations. I I might not think about stopping a puck, but that feeling walking into a room or into a situation and knowing what's going on and I have done my homework, that that that gives me confidence. Preparation gives me confidence.

Tom Renney 16:37

Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 16:37

That that that's the biggest thing. And I and I felt that I lived it uh throughout my career. So that's definitely something I'm trying to bring with me.

Tom Renney 16:45

A lot of young players, like young people, you know, across the board. Um, you know, confidence is a little bit, you know, you're you're trying to grab it, you know, you're always looking to be more confident and and present yourself in a confident manner, be successful doing it, whatever that might be. What would you suggest to young people, w w whether it's in sport or not? How would you suggest to young people to look for those moments to gain confidence? Like what what would you say to them? What are you gonna tell your kids you know when it when it comes to that? You know, whether they're in ballet or whether they're playing soccer or whatever. And that's what sports beautiful about it, because it can teach that. But what what would you think about uh, you know, a young player, young person, and and the building of confidence? How would you describe the ability to pursue that to them?

Henrik Lundqvist 17:32

Well, I I think it's important to understand you can't rely on other people to build you up or to give you confidence. That's on you. Yes, you need support, you need your teammates or parents or whoever to support your times, but it's gotta start with you and what you tell yourself is so important. You know, sometimes we're really thinking about what we're telling our teammates or our friends, but when we talk to ourselves, we might be too hard and too critical and it will break you down a little bit. So I think it's important to understand the power of what we tell ourselves. And sometimes you have to fake it, you know, and and and keep telling you certain things, especially when things go go bad, to to really focus on the things that make you successful. I think for me, after every bad game, the most important practice was that practice to rebuild my confidence and to have a good strong practice and to work on the things that I know is gonna help my game. A lot of times I worked on the things that I already knew was good, but it gave me even more confidence to take 30 breakaways after practice and just get the foot speed and the timing. So I lead the ice going into next game, feeling good about myself. But that was up to me. It was not up to you as a coach or my teammates. Uh, you you can do it. You're a great no. Find it through hard work and and and focus on the things that helped you in the first place to be good and really focus in on those. And that that always regained confidence. So it's important to understand the power of the words you use when you talk to yourself and build yourself up.

Tom Renney 19:05

That's a great comment. I hope nowadays, you know, with what people have at the ready through their handheld device, that they remember to talk to themselves. You know, and not let a surrogate device kind of tell them how good they are, how great they are, or how to do this and how to do that. You do have to live it and experience and feel that. You know, and that's a big concern for me as I move forward, even with my grandchildren. I worry a little bit about, you know, technology stealing the feel, you know, and the soul of what it is you do. And I always thought that you brought that, you know, and I thought that the the level of concentration that you had, your work habits, the level of intensity that you brought to games when I talked to you earlier about being, you know, a leader on the team and yes, your armor, et cetera, et cetera. I I thought you displayed a tremendous amount of leadership in the way that you handled yourself, prepared yourself, and exuded that level of confidence. You know, when you popped up off the bench, we better be on our toes because he's going. And and we're following him. And and you know, and that was important, Hank. That was really important to kind of give the feel to the room that you are ready.

Henrik Lundqvist 20:17

And yeah, would you agree with that? Yeah, no, I do, and and I'm happy. Thank you for saying that. Uh, I think 99% of what I did was for me to be in the right zone. But of course, part of me too want to make sure I I gave that confidence to my team and my teammates, and they knew I was ready. But most of it was just for me to stay in my lane, right? And and you talked about, you know, distractions now with the social media and phones. I think it's even more important today for players to to stay there in your lane and and really, you know, have a strong belief in yourself because I feel like people are closer to you now with opinions and the ups and downs. It's a different world. And, you know, I played half my career with social media, half my career without it. And I feel like it was easier to block the noise before social media. And and now there's a lot of experts and reporters out there that have a lot of opinions that that can get to you if if you let it. So to have that strong belief in in yourself is is critical. And then in terms of uh, you know, my intensity and and focus, and yeah, maybe it was a surprise sometimes for for players that we knew and they came to New York and they were kind of like, don't talk to Hank Game Day because he's so focused and he's so intense. But that is the room. A couple of weeks, a couple of games, they they got used to it.

Tom Renney 21:42

For sure they did. They they they certainly knew that. And I think again, I come back a little bit to culture and and you know, that's a respect factor that your teammates had for you, you know, and the moment. And they, you know, you learned from each other, for sure. But you know, the the the amount of respect in that room that I recall, and I think the enjoyment. That players had coming to the rink was fantastic. You know, it was a really fun place to get to. And I'd I'd like to think that that's the same when we were six years old or 26 years old or 46 years old doing something completely different. And that I fear that that might be lost with remote work, social media, you know, technology, the digital age, and who knows what's next. The big thing for me is making sure that we continue to maximize human potential. And I know you know a little bit about hone athletics. That is the program that I help some advice along the way. And that's what they're trying to do is create an opportunity for the coach to know that the environment is solid, to know that, you know, that through certain um aspects of stressors, whether again it's fatigue or criticism or your own health and wellness, whether it's pressure, I you know, I don't know. But uh the bottom line is to make sure that that we know where we are as a group. And we had some we had some wild horses in there. But but it was fun. It was it was fun, Henrik, you know, and and everybody trusted the moment and where they were and who they were with. And, you know, if anyone had some some personal issues or whatever, I think they knew they could go to a teammate and talk about that or to you know anyone and kind of clear the air on certain things. I think I think that was important. And I fear for that now. I I I fear for the loss of that type of dynamic in a group setting, whether it's at the office, um, you know, whether it's in a business department, corporate Canada, corporate Sweden, USA, whatever. I'm a little concerned about where that is, and I still believe sport can help us understand things better and understand the value of culture, which is uh certainly has been a buzzword for a long, long time, but more so now than ever before, I think, because of how remote we are to everything and yet have so much at our fingertips.

Henrik Lundqvist 23:57

You said a couple of times the word fun. I think it's so important to keep the fun in the game. And yeah, yeah, the first couple of years when you coached in New York, we had a lot of fun. It was a fun group, but we had fun in practice, fun traveling. I think it's so important to keep that and make it fun every day. Maybe not every day is going to be fun, but most days keep the fun. And that was the one thing I kept coming back to. When the pressures start building up, I start to feel overwhelmed. I remember standing on the ice, warm-ups at the garden, and you just the pressure building up. And I just kept telling myself, like, remember why you play this game. And it's because it's fun, you enjoy it. And it's almost like you release all that stress and pressure and build up, and it needs to win that or do that. No. Like you play the game because it's fun, and the more fun you have, usually the better it goes. Like if you think of all the teams who coached, and when you have fun together as a group, you become tighter as a group, you have more fun away from the rink, you start winning more games, and that combination when you work for each other, it's hard to find if you don't have fun. And if you start looking at a workplace, I think the same thing. Now I don't work in the locker room anymore, but I do a lot of different work, and I appreciate so much being around great people. Laugh a lot, have a lot of fun, and that way, you know, you you're just willing to put in more work because you enjoy it. And a lot of it is because of the people and the attitude they bring and the attitude you bring to the table. So fun is key. 100%, isn't it?

Tom Renney 25:35

100%. Yeah. When does a coach become an impediment to that fun? And when does that coach help add to the component of enjoyment of being there?

Henrik Lundqvist 25:45

Yeah, that's a good question. Obviously, it's a balancing act. Great coaches, you can read off the team. There's certain things, you know, we talked earlier about accountability. There's certain things you can't change or be soft on. You have to be firm as a coach. But there's definitely certain things you can read the moment, the players. I think that's why it's important for coaches to know their players. You can't push all the players the same way. If you do, you're gonna lose some along the way. So to know your players and to understand when you need to back off a little bit and make sure they keep their confidence. Some guys react very negatively if you push too hard. But if if you know your players, you know your team, you know when to back off a little bit. And let them, again, have that fun and maybe I'll skip a practice here or there. And it feels like a win for the team, and the coach becomes a hero, and it's like we're doing this together. Maybe it's not the best preparation always, but mentally, that might be a win, and that will help for the next preparation, the next build-up.

Tom Renney 26:50

I guess it just builds trust too, doesn't it? You you sort of trust people's judgment and their ability to, you know, to make the right decision in the moment. It could be in the middle of a game and you and making that absolutely necessary decision to put someone out or take someone off or or call the timeout or whatever. You start to trust the instincts of each other, plus you also trust, you know, the the game plan or whatever, and and of course your teammates. I think that's a big deal. And I think do do you think that a coach that works off of intuition and sort of that gut feel has a better spontaneous reaction to the requirements of coaching or not?

Henrik Lundqvist 27:29

I think for a coach it it changes a lot depending on how the core looks like on a team. I never coach, so you tell me, but how much trust can you leave with the core group of the team? And how big of an effect do they have the rest of the group? And and there's definitely moments when I think back my career, moments where the coach he knew he could step away and let the team figure it out because he had that trust with the group. But that's obviously maybe harder if it's a young team, unexperienced, or you don't have enough strong leaders on that team, then it becomes a different approach for a coach. I I would guess.

unknown 28:07

Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 28:08

What's your take on that?

Tom Renney 28:09

100%. 100%. If you know that this team is in good hands, sometimes you've got the best seat in the house. You just stand back and watch them play. You know, they know who they're going out against, they know the circumstances by which we do this, this, or this, and you watch. And it's an incredible feeling. And sometimes you insert yourself just to make a point, um, you know, or to make sure that we're focused on the right things. Um, but I think the sooner you're able to do that and kind of get out of the way, the better. I think there's a we can all be guilty of overcoaching or overthinking things. And you would know that as much as anybody as a goaltender. That's that's a bit of an enemy, you know, is being you know, overthinking things or getting overcoached. And that's what made Benny so good. He was just his detail was impeccable and his approach was impeccable. And I'd like to think that coaches that get a chance to watch this and listen to this will realize that you know it's important to to allow the team the space to be the team and don't get in the way. And that's coaching. That's a coaching art for sure. And I think it also adds to what I'll conclude with, Hank, is just mental health and wellness of yourself, of your team. And I am kind of circling back the hone a little bit here, but you know, I I'm just very, very interested in that and always have been. I've wanted this group to feel strong collectively and you know, all that kind of stuff. And so from the point of view of mental health and wellness and how it relates to maximizing human potential and how it can affect performance. How important is that?

Henrik Lundqvist 29:37

I think it's extremely important. You you need to feel good to play good. And everybody's different, you know, how they work mentally and and how we deal with the ups and downs. But that's why it is important with with a coach, again, to know their players and know what to say, when to say it, and how that can help a player in a tough spot because we all react in different ways. I I love to be challenged. I mean, that that kind of got me going. Some guys might not like it, but I I did like it to have coaches that challenged me. But people think when you play at the highest level, life must be unbelievable. And it is. There's so many days you're living your dream. As a kid, you wanted to play this game. But when you enter the league, you know, you start to add so many pieces to your life, the pressure, the expectations, the uh yes, contract plays a part for players, especially young players, and and you're fighting for your life in a way because you want to stay in the league. Not only stay in the league, but you want to establish yourself in a big way. So with that comes a lot of pressure and anxiety. So I think it's important to keep that fun. Sometimes you forget it because you're so focused on the next game, the win, the accomplish this and that. But as long as you can keep that fun and remind yourself once in a while why you start in the first place, I think it really helps you. It helped me throughout my career when it starts to feel a little overwhelming at times. So if there's one word I want to leave, if there's any young players listening, so I make sure you keep the fun, no matter what level you play at.

Tom Renney 31:10

Excellent. Excellent. My last question. This is off the chart. This is off the grid. Can you remember all your minor or youth hockey coaches?

Henrik Lundqvist 31:19

Yeah, I I can see their faces. I don't know if I remember all the names. It's not that many.

Tom Renney 31:24

Well, I didn't think so. It was funny you say that, yeah. Yeah.

Henrik Lundqvist 31:28

But yeah, I I do. I do remember them.

Tom Renney 31:31

It it's interesting, and you don't have to answer this, but hopefully those that are watching, kids especially, I would ask you then why. And and that's and you don't have to answer it, Hank, but that that to me is the I asked the same question of you know, people in education or whatever. Can you remember your elementary school teachers? And I asked the same question, why? And usually it comes down to something like I like them, they were fun, they taught me, they, you know, all that kind of stuff. And then there's the odd one where it's the opposite, and they remember that too. But it's interesting, that's the kind of privilege that, you know, school teachers have, that school professors have, that coaches have, that CEOs have, um, you know, that human resource people have, is that they have an opportunity to make an impact on a hundred people, whether they know it or not, and one at a time.

unknown 32:22

Yeah.

Tom Renney 32:23

And, you know, I think that's a big deal. And I and I think that's where we can really start to pay attention to why we do what we do. And I know why you played goal, um, you know, and I and I know why you loved it. I know exactly why you had success. And I know exactly why people like yourself are people that I'll never ever forget, because any success I had goes right back to people like yourself. So we can leave it at that, Hank. I hope you know how much I appreciate this. I hope we can do it again sometime. Thank you so much, Hank. Great to see you again.

Henrik Lundqvist 32:51

Yeah, thanks, Tom. Always great to see you, really. So uh have a great summer and uh I'll see you soon.